[drperry]

Originally Posted by Cwrigh25

I forgot to add "people with money" to that. A/C is necessary for life down here in GA. No leather for me, I can't stand the stuff. Cloth all the way.

Better yet, if they have cooled CLOTH seats!

I don't deal well with heat, lol

[West]

I'm all for the base model, swampy balls and all.

[drperry]

I would be too if I wasn't planning on it being my daily driver

[dsycks]

I am all but sure the base will have cloth seats and AC.

For swampy balls try a man-pon.

[drperry]

Originally Posted by dsycks

I am all but sure the base will have cloth seats and AC.

For swampy balls try a man-pon.

You have built in A/C for your man-bits in the summer? lmao

[Cal]

Originally Posted by dsycks

I am all but sure the base will have cloth seats and AC.

For swampy balls try a man-pon.

I think even the base will have A/C.

[ej25ti]

Originally Posted by Cwrigh25

Cloth all the way.

OMG YES! CLOTH FTW! Hopefully it's standard and leather is an option.

[SUPRAtruc2JZGE]

I dont care what's coming out, just bring that things, DAMN IT!!!

[toyofan]

if toyota doesnt come out with a turbo model ill have to change my name to subie fan... a turbo ft86 will be my next car after the evo.. only, i want all the gadgets (leather, leds, 6mt, brembos, turbo, etc...) not a n/a cloth interior flat 4

[modifiedMR]

i want the stripped down version with the most power, braking and suspension bits i can get. manual locks and windows. only use ac when i have girls in my car. i will take a sunroof though. gotta keep air moving over my sweaty meatballs! rofl. wtf is eye shadow?

[supraru]

A turbo model would be a nice alternative to the NA but if Toyota decides not to produce any; I'm certain there will be numerous tuners working on force induction conversion kits straight from day one of its release.

[ra23celica]

I note at the Scion release that when questioned about forced induction options, their PR people said 'supercharger' before 'turbocharger'. I wonder if SC will be the preferred option to a) be in line with other supercharger upgrades offered on other models in the Toyota range...and b) to distance the car from the planned Subaru turbocharged version?

[Cal]

I would not want a supercharger personally. They are cool n all, but I would rather a turbo.

[modifiedMR]

depends on what the supercharger is. a roots isn't so good really. if the engine is built with boost in mind, i'll get it and then probably add a turbo later.

sc's are cheaper, especially the roots style that toyota uses. they usually generate 5-9 lbs of boost or so depending on the pulley. about 30-45% more power over stock. meaning a 200hp 2.0L car could reach 260-290hp with it. for this car, I think 400 whp is my goal. it's the same for my mr2 (250 whp or so now). that's a sweet spot for lightweight rwd cars, IMO. I will also be doing extensive weight reduction though too.

[ej25ti]

Originally Posted by modifiedMR

depends on what the supercharger is. a roots isn't so good really. if the engine is built with boost in mind, i'll get it and then probably add a turbo later.

sc's are cheaper, especially the roots style that toyota uses. they usually generate 5-9 lbs of boost or so depending on the pulley. about 30-45% more power over stock. meaning a 200hp 2.0L car could reach 260-290hp with it. for this car, I think 400 whp is my goal. it's the same for my mr2 (250 whp or so now). that's a sweet spot for lightweight rwd cars, IMO. I will also be doing extensive weight reduction though too.

why arent roots good? and i think toyota tends to use centrifugal now, except on tundras

[Cal]

I still want a turbo. I am not a huge fan of SC whine.

[ej25ti]

turbo surge > sc whine

[Cal]

^^^Agreeed. Blow off valve awesome.

[gomer ss]

ill take the stirped down race car version as long a it will fit the kids and wife
dont need ac or any other extras just fast sideways tire smoking fun way to get to work

[modifiedMR]

Originally Posted by ej25ti

why arent roots good? and i think toyota tends to use centrifugal now, except on tundras

the only centrifugal type i could find was for the tC.

TRD Supercharger

roots type chargers are limited to lower boost applications. STI's are running 14.5 psi and I would like to run something like 17-20 psi on premium. I will have to see what kind of options the car has and wait to drop in some lower compression pistons when I do.

[topcat]

dsycks car no 5 for me (but I'd still want AC, although cruise, sunroof and cuopholders are a waste of time)

I don't see a supercharger installation - they're big, bulky and need a decent sized intercooler, and don't do anything for fuel consumption. On the other hand, they're easy to tune (at least we can get well over 200bhp out of an Eaton M45 supercharged 1.6l CooperS without dicking around with the engine internals at all, just CAI, mani, pulley and tune), the whine is hilarious, and linear power delivery is really nice and easy to moderate.

I reckon, since we're talking about a Subaru engine, we'll see a nicely installed smallish turbo, maybe mounted underneath? (like the 2.0 turbo diesel engine sold over here which is a cut down 3.0H!), but I have to wonder where the intercooler will go - ideally it should be front mounted, but a top mount is traditional to Subaru (big scoops). The modern turbo installations are great, no lag, great consumption, low emissions; and while they are tunable, you won't be able to do as much, unless you swap out the whole thing.

The advantages of either are of course (as dsycks says) that the gearbox/clutch/flywheel would be a lot stronger and good for increasing power in the aftermarket. So here's hoping.

[ej25ti]

of course you don't need AC in Bergen lol! some people like sunroofs and crusie control, but i dont use em so. i def need cupholders though. not 10, but at least 2 lol, no more.

[topcat]

AC is useful for demisting, especially in Bergen, Norway, where it rains 360 days a year.

[Cal]

Yes a/c is awesome for that. I used to hate when or rained in my old car with no air. Quite unpleasant.

[ej25ti]

or when it would get 95+F in FL, rolling with your windows down doesnt quite cut it lol, ac is a must for me

[ProZach626]

^^ +1. We get just as hot and Humid in STL. Very similar to Florida.

If I'm going to be using this car to potentially go to business functions or suit related functions, AC is a much. I can withstand anything in a tee shirt and shorts, but try stop and go traffic in a suit or button up and dress pants without AC in 95 degree weather and 80% humidity.

[ej25ti]

it might get as hot, but idk about as humid...

[Cal]

Ga is hot and humid as fuck. I'm in my car now with the a/c on as I post this. No I'm not driving.

[ProZach626]

So have we pretty much almost all but ruled out a turbo model for the scion variant?

[modifiedMR]

Originally Posted by ProZach626

So have we pretty much almost all but ruled out a turbo model for the scion variant?

no, there actually will probably be a trd turbo package, but not a model. scions don't really have models, just packages. also, a supercharger usually takes up less space than all the turbo parts. i highly doubt they will supercharge a subie engine when there are all kinds of turbo parts available to work with from fuji HI.

i would expect, at one point, a subie turbo model variant. that is, later after they've been selling the non-turbo for a few years.