[Raiden]

Hey everybody im new here and this is my first post but i would like to share with you the information given to me from the future brand manager for scion Canada john scott when i asked him if they offer cash rebates and the ft-86 release and this is what he had to say....

Hello,

Toyota does offer rebates on cash purchases on certain vehicles. The FT-86 is a concept vehicle that would probably come out under the Scion brand name not Toyota. The Scion brand is coming to Canada this September 28th. With it comes the TC coup which is in direct competition with the Genesis coup. The Tc is made by Toyota in Japan and is one of the most popular vehicle in the US . Moreover, it has won the Kelly blue book award for best resale value 3 years in a row and has been redesigned for the 2011 .In addition, we think it will come out with a price of $21,000 to $22,000 ( which will be extreamly competitive), but we don’t have any prices as of yet. If you’d like more info concerning this or any other model please feel free to contact me, or you can check out my fan page on facebook under the name Spinelli Scion.

My very best regards,
John Scott
Future Brand Manager for scion.


John Scott
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[Raiden]

I really hope this is not true but i recently read some where that the ft-86 production model will be priced at around 16,000 usd, which is very scion like. I would like to add that the price mentioned in the original post is in canadian dollars so, again that seems to correlate with what was published recently about the ft-86's price.

[West]

Excellent find, and thanks for sharing!

To the subject of his reply. I have a friend which is a regional Scion manager and he says the same thing, however he knows absolutely nothing about the FT-86 in comparison. He comes to me for information, I'm afraid Scion is working really hard to get the FT-86 released under the Scion brand, but it wont happen.

The rumored price of 16k does fall within the Scion market, however bare in mind the FT-86 is currently being branded as Toyota to Japan, Europe, Asia, and Australia. I doubt they will release the same car as two brands, but alas we still have no official FT-86 debut within the in America/Canada; so be weary.

It would surely be an idiotic move on Toyota's part to put such a staple throwback car under the Scion brand that is known for cheap economical boxes. I sure as hell don't want to drive a Scion, and if it happens; ill buy the Subaru.

PS: Sorry I moved your post!

[ProZach626]

I also don't know if I'd buy the car, if it were a scion. Scion tuners are one of a kind, and they are the worst of OUR kind, IMO. It's all about straight billed popped up/crooked retard caps, baggy jeans, 5 dollar white tee shirts, and 200 dollar un tied shoes, with the majority of TC tuners I see. Then you have the driver lean with the loud sub thumping. It's bad enough that I have to be stereo typed with the honda crowd, since I drive a civic si, but I don't think I could take being one with the scion crowd. Enough people try to street race me as it is now, and I have to ignore them. It would probably get worse in a scion.

[ej25ti]

they just released the new tC, dont think it's gonna be a scion
IMO

[Cal]

Originally Posted by ej25ti

they just released the new tC, dont think it's gonna be a scion
IMO

I agree with this. They just redesigned. If it fell under the scion name maybe it would be called the Scion FR, and the turbo versions the Scion FR-S. I believe that is a big if though. makes no sense..

[Boostaholic]

These Scion rumors need to END.

Scion stated they are currently in the early planning phase for a potential RWD car. Dont mistake that with the RWD FT-86.

[Cal]

^mr.meph?

I didn't know scion were even considering a RWD car. The Toyo marketing department knows better than to release it as a Scion. They know the targert market of the scion and this car are not the same.

[HyperFX]

Look, im heavily involved with the Scion brand name and know for a fact that the all new 2011 Scion tC is going to be the only "sporty" car in the brand for quite a long time. Also, Toyota has been missing a sports car since the Celica went away. It would only make sense to plug in that missing sports car link In the Toyota lineup. Now I'm talking about Toyota USA and for the Canadian market, I truly have no idea on this subject.

[Cal]

Well there ya go. Damn near official confirmation it won't be a scion.

[Exitspeed]

Well here's something to add some fuel to the fire. Toyota wants to build a RWD hatch...THAT I can see being a Scion.

Toyota plans 'fun' baby coupe - Autocar.co.uk

Report: Toyota considering RWD hatch to commemorate Naruse — Autoblog

[West]

Yea that'd be a Scion in North America.

I'm all for that move, but it only means the FT86 will cost more.

Ive been watching all these Scion rumors all week and I swear it stemmed from Raidens post, lol.

[Raiden]

Ok, to make things even more confusing, or for me atleast, is that ive been told by a friend that works in the risk management division of toyota canada in toronto that the car is expected to be released as a Toyota under the Celica name; That's the buzz over there in toyota and for the release of the vehicle it is not on the back burner at all but will be implemented in the market in 2011, meaning that toyota will start marketing the car until it's release in 2012 or marketed in 2012 and then released in 2013...again i guess to be taken with a grain of salt it's nothing concrete but, i guess it's another story in the wacky adventures of the ft-86.

I personally would take my friends advice more seriously then what john scott told me in the original post...just saying.

[Cal]

A Celica eh. Hmm It makes sense. Car people who know the Celica will know it's true roots, and all the women who know it will be like "Oooo I had/remeber those, they were cute" *purchase*

Well played Toyota.

[ra23celica]

In the end, it is just a badge on the car, 'Celica' versus 'FR-S'. There are very strong arguments for and against both these names. In the wash-up, it will come down to the driving experience. If the car is good to drive, the name is secondary. We will still buy it and love it. If the driving experience is a below expectations, then whatever the name is, it will be forever after be associated with a poor product.

[ProZach626]

Hmmmmmmm... Maybe the N/A Celica and the Celica FR-S, which comes with a turbo charger!

[West]

I hope they call it Steve.

[SUPRAtruc2JZGE]

Glad its not Scion, it dose make sense if it call Celica. The originally call SupraCelica was RWD. If they stated Celica, would be sound like the RETURN of the Supra Celica? ALthough it does makes everything very understandable. However, FT86 name should be corolla, oh wait I'm starting to get confusing at the moment lol!!

[ae86gtsBOSTON]

If they're going to comeout with a celica, it better look like a miniature muscle car with a tundra V8 in it, call me crazy, but the only celica's that were cool were from the 70's. Cooler yet with fender flares and front mount oil cooler.

Now onto main discussion...

Toyota will HAVE to release this as a Scion. There's no option. Toyota in the united states as of now makes ZERO sports cars. Scion is their new brand for race cars (yes scion race cars!) Other than the CAMRY which runs in NASCAR! Scion has cars competing in Formula D (anyone who likes formula d in america would love a Toyota Hyundai genesis killer) running 750hp nascar spec V8's in RWD format (it's drifting.. need rwd). This is just the precursor to the "FR-S" and a pretty smart move I would say. Corner your market 2 years before you are supposedly release a car by brainwashing people with scion tc's drifting sideways at 100mph. subaru also had a STI running in D1GP in japan, and although I never see it when I check formula D I don't doubt it's there. Call it a coincidence but I'd say they know the drifting market is getting pretty hot and they're cornering their markets before they even have a chassis to compete.

Also, if anyone watches that american touring car stuff where they run 3 classes of cars on 1 track, basically like racing through rush hour, they have TC's running in that too BUT IN FWD FORMAT. Not to get off topic of this forum, but I have a feeling scions are going to be competing with honda Si, mazdaspeed, sentra ser market with the TC, and leave the FR-S to the genesis, 370z, rx-8 market.

[Cal]

Well informed post. A bit late though since it was already dubbed a scion.

Toyota Exec Meetings - Confirmed FT-86 To Be a Scion in the USA

[G4BROKE]

It would had been easy from the beginning, when they released the concept car, to just put a Scion badge on it so none of this would be causing such the irritation that it does.

But, to be true to form of the release (as already stated in the past) just rebadge it to Toyota, if one does not like it. I would just like it to be low priced and really don't care what it's called, i'll likely debadge it anyway.

Surely we've all seen a Scion w/ a Toyota badge, I have.

[ej25ti]

^^
I had toyota badges on my IS300, if i got the scion id be the first to have em on there too lol

[G4BROKE]

I'm quite amused by the site cause no matter what's written, all is quite calm in the response, though it could be a bit mild in response, or even aggressive. I'm surprised that this site has not receive a prize yet for most tolerable and friendly. LOL. Yeah, it's that crazy! Well, hats off to you all for wanting/wish to understand and learn/anticipate what Toyota has to offer in the future.

[G4BROKE]

I know a lot of folks are up in arms about it being Scion. Well, I would like to see it Toyota too. But if being branded Scion will keep the prices low then so be it; it will be the same vehicle we all are wishing for....small, light weight, RWD, 6spd, 2 DR coupe with a 2.0L Subaru boxer w/ D4S. I mean it looks great right now.

Sure, I definately would rebadge the "Scion" I buy, when it comes out.
But, we can't change Toyota for Scion / Lexus, they're all setup for a reason and it's been in the works for sometime (Scion - 10+ yrs and Lexus nearly 3 decades - concept and execution). Yeah, it would be great to keep it all pure Toyota as Celica / MR2 / Supra / Corolla etc. But times have changed and are still changing.

In the end, you either buy or you don't. We will see what happens.

I personally believe the FT-86 is a strike (not direct) to Honda (Acura) for their killing of the Celica w/ the integra. Cause right now, Honda doesn't make anything real "sporty". CR-Z ? lol.

I never did voice my opinion on the "Scion" bit but guess it's here now.

[ej25ti]

Originally Posted by G4BROKE

I'm quite amused by the site cause no matter what's written, all is quite calm in the response, though it could be a bit mild in response, or even aggressive. I'm surprised that this site has not receive a prize yet for most tolerable and friendly. LOL. Yeah, it's that crazy! Well, hats off to you all for wanting/wish to understand and learn/anticipate what Toyota has to offer in the future.

we try

lol

[G4BROKE]

Originally Posted by ej25ti

we try

lol

Did I mention the site has the best icon collection of all forums I'm on? lol....

[Terrari]

[QUOTE=G4BROKE;4460]
I personally believe the FT-86 is a strike (not direct) to Honda (Acura) for their killing of the Celica w/ the integra. Cause right now, Honda doesn't make anything real "sporty". CR-Z ? lol.

Not so fast there, read up on the 200hp CRZ just revealed this week.

[ej25ti]

[QUOTE=Terrari;4464]

Originally Posted by G4BROKE

I personally believe the FT-86 is a strike (not direct) to Honda (Acura) for their killing of the Celica w/ the integra. Cause right now, Honda doesn't make anything real "sporty". CR-Z ? lol.

Not so fast there, read up on the 200hp CRZ just revealed this week.

the Civic Si is sure sportier than the Corolla S lol
and sorry but 200hp still isn't sporty :P

Originally Posted by G4BROKE

Did I mention the site has the best icon collection of all forums I'm on? lol....

yea well it took long enough!
jk west jk <3 hehe

[Terrari]

[QUOTE=ej25ti;4468][QUOTE=Terrari;4464]

the Civic Si is sure sportier than the Corolla S lol
and sorry but 200hp still isn't sporty :P


Think LOTUS ELISE

[ej25ti]

[QUOTE=Terrari;4471][QUOTE=ej25ti;4468]

Originally Posted by Terrari

the Civic Si is sure sportier than the Corolla S lol
and sorry but 200hp still isn't sporty :P


Think LOTUS ELISE

i think about those all day

haha these smilies are too much